I still love it so much. I think that would be important to her., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The top vote getter was Jonah, with Dan as the runner-up (I would need to work for someone who has a soul, Minh wrote of the latter). Shes not one to examine her own feelings, but is she sad, angry, and disgusted at herself for turning on Gary and on everyone and everything else?The great thing about my job these last four years is, I get to write very simple things or talk to Julia about very simple concepts and go, Now play that. Then she does four million things with her face and I get to sit back and revel in it. He was the one who believed the most in the purity and potential of government. I think he definitely saw her in a different light and I think Selinas legacy is a trail of sadness. Because its HBO, and its Veep, theres a tendency for the actors and the writers to just throw in the casual that f***king thing because you can. Its like, what the hell are you doing, dude? I chose my job, and now Ive been given this opportunity. The First Labor Day. The Ericsson thing it was funny, it was actually Annas idea, and I thought it was very enjoyable. I mean, Dan is with who he wants to be. I like to think shes haunted because you two are a favorite TV couple in a twisted way. "When somebody else comes to her, it was so hard to watch that and not run to her," shares Hale. In one way, their bond can never be broken, and he will always have some measure of twisted devotion to her. Its completely void of any joy. With your scenes on Veep, not everything is written on the page and you all try alternate versions. And it's kind of also not fair." But history cannot deny how many times she ran for the presidency and how badly she wanted it. AmyBrookheimer(Anna Chlumsky) tells viewers that Selina never visited him. I think there was something very funny to me that somehow you end up with him and Spiro Agnew in the same historical footnote. They were very lovely, we miss them, and my mom loved the show, he says. (Laughs.) I think he gets an odd kick out of watching the show. It went on the wish list. Maybe that will be the next Veep spin well do a Christmas Carol thing with Selina and shell be visited by all the ghosts and the ghost of Christmas past will show her what shes done to Gary. So even when shes with people, shes a little bit alone. It would be a blast. This shouldnt be.. I dont have the secret answer of what Labor Day was, I just liked the idea of a lot of clues that kept changing what you thought about it. In the end, shes sitting at the Oval desk and shes totally alone, miserable and isolated. The Hollywood Reporter is a part of Penske Media Corporation. There was a moment when she was looking at Gary and you could see the sadness in her eyes for him, but she couldnt stop herself. We once played with an idea that when you jumped to the future and Richard was president, and he might have asked her to be his vice president in the future sort of a little bit of a gray-haired, foreign policy expert to his younger, more novice politician. Hes around her again. It seemed that despite the betrayal, on some level, he will always hold a warped torch for Selina. Im excited to see what ideas he has. So for him to lay the lipstick on the casket? Its not what comes later when shes alone but its that moment of, its like a chill runs down your body because you get the sense that a little chill is running down her. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. For this scene they just bring up the day in which something happened. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: So 50 percent had no idea the former TNT series existed. Im just not sure either of them has the ability to get to that step. Dan 2.0 in a different way. Another sleazy scumbag operator a la Dan. "It means to lose something. she concluded. Was one of the messages of the finale, If you have been rooting for Selina all along, you chose very poorly, and were here to not-gently remind you of that?That is the wonderful thing. IMDb, the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. That's it lol . Gary was complicit in this hideous relationship in which he chased affection and validation that was never available. Thats the interesting flaw of her. I root for her because of amazing acting by her actor. Or, put more bluntly by Eman Abdelmouty: Shes the absolute worst. Fr nhere Informationen zur Nutzung Ihrer Daten lesen Sie bitte unsere Datenschutzerklrung und Cookie-Richtlinie. Why am I here? Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. That is a really sharp turn for the character in that day. The relationship between Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh has always been hilarious, yes, but it's also what are the words? I dont think we can compete. And that was the beginning of her real healing. "She wasn't loving the idea of him being . What is the feeling in that moment? When approaching the end, showrunner David Mandel said he thought about the most horrible thing Selina could do that would have a deep emotional impact, and thats how he landed on the Gary betrayal. Not to keep it Francis Ford Coppola [the director of The Godfather trilogy who also directed Apocalypse Now], but The horror, the horror. And the realization of: so alone. I did what I was supposed to do. Oh my God, shes the worst! Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from. Its just so much joy to be able to talk about all that stuff any time we get together. Do you haveconfidence in new showrunner, [Curb Your Enthusiasm EP]David Mandel? Hes got huge rose-colored glasses on. Oh, no, no, no!' When did you decide to play that devastating card, and how did you decide that she would stoop that low?I refer to it in the [writers] room a little bit as the Fredo moment [from The Godfather Part II], for many reasons, but also just the lovingness and the loyalty of poor Fredo and, of course, of poor Gary Originally that was not happening. I dont know when I will respond.. Its so fun to work with somebody whos on the same page. TVLINE | How does this impact their relationship moving forward? As he prepared to personally sing her praises with his "own heartfelt eulogy" of the "underrated" president, he received breaking news in his earpiece that beloved actor Tom Hanks had passed at the age of 88. So thats what she did, which is not exactly healthy. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. That's why he went back. He was ready to do whatever she asked. She couldnt even face Gary to do it, thats how much of a coward she was. Throughout their 12-year marriage, Andrew was always . And that scene just plays. TVLINE | Were you surprised by Garys outburst? Has he forgiven her? We definitely liked the idea of what he went into was interesting. In the heat of the moment, there probably was a realization in her mind that hes more than just a lap dog. During her desperate, obsessive drive to return to the White House, Selina (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) betrayed her daughter, Catherine (Sarah Sutherland), the fight for LGBTQ equality, a brave war veteran who was supposed to be her running mate, the nation of Tibet, pristine federal lands, the American educational system, and perhaps most damning to viewers entranced by the relationship at the cold-blooded heart of the show: her over-loyal bagman and one-man hype machine Gary (Tony Hale). First off, the fact that Gary has beenseparated from Selina now that shes President has been emotional suicide for him. On Sunday night, the series finale of HBOs Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. Politically-Correct Reaction: "Veep" focused on the unwanted secrets of its staff in "East Wing." Selina and Gary's Labor Day-set secret may have taken center stage, but plot threads . Connected to that, having ended up taking the year off, our plans for production were going to probably be later, so we might not have aired until the summer, had we shot pre-cancer. Check out all of THRs series finale coverage of Veep here. Among the who's-who . And whose was the hardest to settle on?I most loved Richard being president, and I loved the three-state solution to the [Israeli-Palestinian] crisis, because even I as the writer have no idea what the third state is. I think people forget that she did rise up through the political system, and that requires a certain amount of street-fighting skills and an inherent political sense, and she has that. What is her legacy? I enjoyed it just because of the fun and the silliness of all the different time periods and all that kind of stuff, the chance to do sort of the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, and that kind of a thing.. Veep Showrunner David Mandel Responds to Fans Labor Day Theories. Louis-Dreyfus said she believed something crosses Selinas eyes of perhaps remorse and love for Gary in their goodbye. He has no clue what is about to happen as they celebrate her nomination. Shell never allow herself to sit in those feelings, but she does feel them and then stuffs them down and turns it back on. She doesn't have empathy for others. We started talking about a very sort of Selina Meyer-esque ending, which is that she gets bumped off the front page by a better funeral. We, I dont want to say padded, because my guess is he could end up with more. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: While multiple fans would enjoy seeing Gary sleep with a Russian spy (Oh lord, Mandel says), Cecille had another idea for him: Gary actually quitting or getting fired from his post? But I guess at the end of the day, Im a cynical son of a bitch. Dan (Reid Scott) is selling real estate in Laguna Beach! I always catered it to Gary just treating what she was saying as an everyday request and never considering what she was really asking. I feel like the sun has set on her career., ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. Catherine does go kind of the full Claire Danes. The holiday falls on the first Monday of . But I think that care and that base level love is what brought him to the funeral. And maybe you see a flicker of that questioning, but it has to be batted away immediately because otherwise. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. And it makes me laugh to no end. : r/Veep - Reddit; 2.Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic - TVLine TVLINE | The argument is diffused when she is reminded of what he did for her on Labor Day. And yeah, anybody who thought she should be president wasnt maybe paying attention the way they should have been. Then when shes left alone, she starts to tear up as if shes taking stock of what she has besides this job, and the answer is nothing. Whose future outcome amused you the most? That being said, hes a simple soul. Selina has always hated the limited powers of the vice president. Selina snapped back at him in anger, and when he and Michelle (Rhea Seehorn) exited the room, she was left with her darker thoughts (the betrayal of Gary, of Catherine, of so much) and started to tear up. That would have been the running joke, that everybody else got scanned but shes the only actual competent one. I was weirdly very satisfied by it because nothing was going to wake Gary out of this abusive cycle but this.. Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. This cast is so close, they were all together in Baltimore [where the show was filmed for the first four seasons] for so long. The joke I always say is, we would sit around trying to think of the stupidest, dumbest thing a president or his staff could do and they kind of outdo that on a daily basis.. You can tie that into fake news, just the idea that people used to believe scientists, and doctors, and now they dont. So that was tricky. It was horrific to film. Mike says Tom won four Oscars, so was the fourth for Philadelphia 2?You think so? I just want to determine who really is the human crutch in their relationship. Another popular suggestion: Jonah ends up running for president either opposing Selina or with her help. It just seems like it has to be something we dont know about at all., Gary had to tell Andrew that Selina wanted a divorce, just as he had to tell Ted about their split in that same Season 1 episode. Both Labor Day and May Day, the two worker holidays, grew out of violent clashes between labor and police in the American Midwest.What is known as the Haymarket Riot (or . And its hard to make the audience think that in terms of her behavior to Catherine, this is any worse than anything else she has previously said to Catherine. So the other nine, most of them were dramas. How hard was that pill to swallow? A cautionary tale for 2020, this season was simply darker and more brutal than ever. Thats what was so beautiful about the way Dave [Mandel] wrote and directed the episode. Forty percent said they were a Rizzoli (Angie Harmons blue-collar detective character) and 10 percent said they were an Isles (Sasha Alexanders more polished medical examiner). I think itd be very fun to work for Dan. Something serious mustve went down to silence Selina like that. Origins of Labor Day. But at the end of the day, she is the winner. Plus, he has that weird nickname, Buttf***er.'. We then tried to jam that into the last year, season 6, and then finally got it into season 7. But when she referred to him as a middle-aged man who gets me my wipes, he had to actually face what she thought of him. Speaking of emotional moments, Selina had an unconventional father-figure moment with Ben [Kevin Dunn] after his heart attack. '", The scene, which illustrated the karmic punishment that had been meted out to her, served as an appropriate cautionary ending to a show steeped in corrosive cynicism and selfishness, according to Hale. And it really plays with your emotions, because you start to realize, But I was clapping earlier, but now Im sad that shes doing this to Gary. And that is the conundrum of her, and I love that it puts the viewer in knots in a really hopefully good way. Louis-Dreyfus uses the words "pretty intense" to describe that moment. Dies geschieht in Ihren Datenschutzeinstellungen. The joke of Tom Hankss death bumping news of hers is the ultimate karmic payback and a wonderful, wicked callback to the pilot. Then he resigns. Walsh was one of Meyer's closest confidants, having worked for Meyer from the time she was a congresswoman to her fourth presidential campaign. Thats throughout your life, if thats what youre going to invest in the world, and thats the end of your life. That cant hit her until the White House. So it was just a genuine expression of having missed her, but also having been really glad that she showed up. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Two-thirds of the fans who responded said they believe Selina has redeeming qualities, though they definitely had to reach to name some. That could be enjoyable. DAVID MANDEL ASKS: Do you want to know what happened on Labor Day? He wouldve been her type. She Danes-es it up, he says. Im not going to use the K word, which is Kellyanne [Conway]. We talked a lot about a more standard ending, if you will, where Selina is right about to become president and then she was going to do some of the same things offer Jonah the Vice Presidency. For example, when the beautiful men were working for Jonah last year as interns, and he really sort of took to them. Happy Labor Day weekend, America. I've always assumed he was talking about finding her trash and whatever horrifying thing that was in it. You dont really want Selina to be president, you kind of want Julia to be president. I think the world has gotten very horrible. We were crying during the table read. She really respects him, shes worked with him [on Seinfeld]. She could be a fierce fighter for womens rights and equality. Sydney Grullon spoke more generally: I dont think shes inherently awful, I think deep down she thinks what shes doing is good, at least what she was doing while in office. Prakram Bhushan, meanwhile, was incredibly specific: Selina is a good lover. declares Louis-Dreyfus, who emailed Hanks for his blessing. But near the end of Sunday's series finale, it all came crashing down in the show's darkest moment. Their only daughter, Catherine Meyer, was born in 1994. "Gary and Selina cohabit a dysfunctional not-quite-romance: brutal, abusive, pathetic and unbalanced, but, at the same time, almost in spite . She has to be thinking, This is bad right now and this is a little bit bad for me, but I dont think she can be thinking about how horrific the rest of her life is going to be. An incompetent boss [like Mike] is the greatest thing in the world then you can do what you like. The whole team (reluctantly) returns to work for Jonahs campaign. Because that moment she realized she wasnt going to have to change it to something else. Richard (Sam Richardson) became a two-term POTUS! (At least Sufe Bradshaws Sue was still guarding the Oval Office, doing MVP work to block VP Jonah, played by Timothy Simons, from any executive privilege.) And then the past four years before she died, he was out. I wish in retrospect, we had managed to put maybe one, or two other clues along the way But there is no answer. A Dan thats been to prison. Labor Day is a federal holiday in the United States celebrated on the first Monday in September to honor and recognize the American labor movement and the works and contributions of laborers to the development and achievements of the United States. Im just not sure its feasible for either of them to leave each other. And while Selina has already expressed interest in running for president again (an idea that Ben, mercifully, shot down in the Season 6 premiere), is Mandel rushing to get her back to Washington? It was lovely that he came to New York for the premiere, and obviously, hes busy with [upcoming HBO space comedy Avenue 5]. But yeah, I think this has been a three-year journey of her becoming a somewhat more complete person. It was so satisfying on so many levels. Did you ever consider revealing exactly what happened on Labor Day, or is it one of those things that the answer will never be as satisfying as the speculation and your own imagination?I love that everyone has a theory. Its so incredibly gratifying. How Marvel went big with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Mandel thinks Jamies read was correct: I think she only really tried to do good if she thought it was politically expedient. ", It was a playful and ideal wink to the very first episode, in which Mike attempted to console Selina about a gaffe by absurdly suggesting that maybe bigger breaking news could overshadow it: "What if Tom Hanks dies? How are you doing with your feelings of Veep being over? It just suddenly washed over her what a terrible idea this was, and what she hath wrought?Yeah. Sufe Bradshaw returned as Sue to the White House, which was a feel-good surprise in a brutal episode. But keep in mind, as far as Garys concerned, she shouldve been president years ago. Chung asks Jonah to be his running mate, and he accepts. And then he puts a blindfold on, plays the tape, and just starts reaching in the bag for the items. Keith Quinn has become her hatchet man but she doesnt have the relationship with him that she had with Ben [Kevin Dunn]. Everyone roots for her., As for the naysayers, their position was summed up by Jamie Burgess: No. Sometimes you have to stand back and remind everybody that were playing a horrific scene, but your characters dont quite know how horrific it is. On Sundays Veep, Selinas long-suffering aide Gary stopped being polite and started getting really angry at his boss, resulting in a jaw-dropping confrontation that was three years in the making. It was actually Frank Rich, our executive producer, who then jumped to, What if its Tom Hanks? I had gone back and rewatched everything again, and so, the pilot was definitely fresh in my mind. (Luckily Im not American, then I dont have to live under Trump direction.). Yes, maybe not specifically worrying about wheres Catherine and not specifically worrying about wheres Kent [Gary Cole], but all of that hits her. It was nice to be able to let loose. "I mean, we set this up at the beginning of the season with the faith-based initiative, and it was the perfect sacrifice for him to make and what his job wasin her mind. Ive said this before, but its like a dog returning to his vomit. The tragedy of Selena's death was both manner and timing: On March 31, 1995 at her then musical heightat the moment when she was reaching vast audiences in both Mexico and AmericaSelena . Will looks like he has PTSD sometimes. Hes definitely not meant for prison. And theres nothing you could do that would ever satisfy her, he says. On April 16, Selena Day, fans will put on their favorite Selena songs and remember the incredible impact the Tejano crooner had on music. "Because she's in the casket. MANDEL RESPONDS: I think that speaks to whats going on in America, to the anti-intellectualization, he says. But Hale says that the ultimate revenge may be Selina's, even from the grave. TVLine is a part of Penske Media Corporation. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. It was a clever nod to the pilot, in which Mike had posited that the latest Meyer lemon would be overshadowed by even bigger news: What if Tom Hanks dies?. "His devotion to her was so evident in those final moments, with the lipstick," she says. MANDEL RESPONDS: Its interesting. Its sort of the way I treat my in-laws, which is, I never say their name, because my instinct is to call them Mr. And Im certainly not gonna call them by their first name, so I just avoid calling them.. But Im guessing it was all very like an angry divorced couple that kind of bumps into each other at the lawyers office. Oh my God, he could end up as Its sort of like she had put it to bed and realizes now it could be even realer, and then realizing, Oh. He does do more than fetch my hand lotion. She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. What do you think was in the bag (s)? There was anger in his farewell words, but also a sense of love. We didnt know if it would happen, and certainly everything would have worked without. My story is that Im super bummed its over! So I think the level of depravity that happened here, I wasnt necessarily surprised. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. In the primaries, Jonahs run mirrors Selinas initial run: he starts out popular, but ends up losing to DANNY CHUNG. But when hes at that funeral and maybe this a little, I dont want to say redemption for Andrew he did love her. I was like, 'Oh! Ill be vice president! almost reluctantly is one of my absolute favorite jokes, and I think in some weird way very true to the spirit of all seven seasons of the original show, a show about the vice presidency. We here at EW now continue coverage of the passing of Selina Meyer and the rest of the shows deficient souls. Minus the now-deceased Ben (Kevin Dunn), the gang was all there, including two-term President Richard Splett (!, Sam Richardson) and ex-con Gary, who placed the Dubonnet lipstick that they had been saving for a special occasion on her casket. My mind goes to some dark places during that scene. You can read that gesture as closure, but not full forgiveness. By 1894, 23 more states had adopted the holiday, and on June 28, 1894 . A lot of these stories go back to when I and the new writers came into the show. We even had a [scene], it just didnt quite exactly work, where she was watching the funeral, sort of laughing. Because Gary is so in tune with her emotions, he might have picked up on something in her tone or behind or eyes, and this distracted him so he didnt. Even with all the dysfunction and all the abuse, he did have this almost spiritual love for her. Party leaders, looking for someone to beat the popular Laura Montez, turn to Jonah to run for President and throw their support behind him. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Please. I think we all hope youll miss each other enough that youll come up with something down the line. Shes a scientist. But near the end of Sunday's series finale, it all came crashing down in the show's darkest moment. He is so invested in her, so I knew that going that high in joy would hopefully help that devastation of him being taken away by the FBI. Did she ever find out that he was alive, and did he close out any shady deals at her funeral?Id like to think at some point, they had contact, or she probably had to give him some more money at some point. Given that Mike never winds up giving that heartfelt eulogy for Selina, could you finish the job right now?I would personally eulogize her as the most wonderfully complicated character I ever got to write. 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