Y-P-R-E-S, Actually the Americans called it [inaudible 00:36:42]. No, because if you couldn't afford a ticket for a play, you'd seen all the plays, in the 1500s, you could always go to a public hanging. For when the subjects didn't want to continue? Pince-nez, okay. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. When I said, "Goodbye." I would say in a powerful mood; we're close to some really fundamental truths about human nature. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. So, around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. What he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. It's all right. That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. In fact we hate being told. And as soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. But he does it with a kind of amoral athleticism, he does it without humility, without a lot of doubt. Now we don't actually know if he threw a party. Can't keep holding it all in. All right. Uh, she, uh, expressed disapproval about his, um, clothing choices. And also a scientist. Nitrogen is an essential part of amino acids and proteins. Nobody had done what he was about to do on the scale that he was about to do it. Okay, we're going off tape now. When you press one of the switches, all the way down, the learner gets a shock. He stirs up hatred between friends, between lovers, he even schemes against his own wife. I'm going to resign.". But did it, publicly, in front of her friends. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. A liquid. Birds would just fall from the air. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. You know [crosstalk 00:10:58]. Because actually, he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. About; Blog; Projects; Help; Donate An illustration of a heart shape . I got it in front of me, I've just got the data from the Milgram study. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. I'm [Clemmy Buttonhill 00:26:56], I'm here to tell you about the Open Airs Project, the new podcast form WNYC studios and WQXR, in which people share stories about the classical music that gets them through their lives. And once again, another nitrogen compound. They will spare his son if he fessed up and tells them what they need to know. I'm Robert Krulwich. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. So- so first of all, could you just like, uh, when did he live and what did he look like and that kind of stuff? Our main story is the haunting tale of a chimp named Lucy. Uh, walked in and asked his wife, uh, where this friend of mine was. Does he- is he saying what I think he's saying? And he is basically homeless at this point. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? He buried them or left their bodies in these little clumps in the woods. The guy yelling, of course, was an actor, and the shocks weren't real. When you call someone, "Evil." And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. Hi, I'm Robert Krulwich. And so, 1918 Fritz Haber gets a Nobel Prize, but this is why he's such an interesting guy. Hmm. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to basically issue an order that says there shall be no Jews in the civil service. Transcript. And not just because he was vain, which everyone agrees he was, but because he loves his country. At least not with a tremendous amount of energy. On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. But if you put two experimenters in the room and-. The fact that he kept on doing it over, and over, and over again was like, "Come on.". Especially when it came to one particular fact. Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? I just needed to kill her." Hmm. "The experiment requires that you continue.". He was trying to repeat this masterstroke. But in a us sort of way. And so in 1918, Fritz Haber gets the Nobel Prize. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. They've got a very plausible, very credible, high status scientist at high status scientific institution. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of Aaron the Moor-, And there's a moment in the play where Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently.". Fast forward 10 years. comment. We want what Elizabethans got at the scaffold, which was a confession. And the infinity of gray spaces in between. And you like her. That's it? "The experiment requires that you continue.". And I devoted one class session to the topic of homicide and why people kill. And 91% of the men said yes. Is that like a- like a green cloud? It was developed in his institute. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? Yes, it's awesome. Within minutes, the gas reached the allied side. You know what's going to happen if she pisses you off. God, I feel like we haven't, you and I sat together and said our names in quite some time. And then he just trails off. And then, it was several hours later in the middle of the night that I got the call. Then, we reconsider what Stanley Milgram's famous experiment really revealed about human nature (it's both better and worse than we thought). And he says, "Because of the rage." And you tell us, "Actually, no. ", He actually threw a dinner party in celebration-. Jeff Jensen's book is the Green River Killer: A True Detective Story. Right. But as far as I know, there are none for Radiolab.I think I once read a statement from Jad and/or Robert that they view the show as an audio experience, and so believe it can't be captured in a transcript. I don't know, I can't help but feel bad for the guy. But- but there's part of me that says, you know, here's a guy who just wanted to do everything better than had ever been done before. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? Hey, I'm Jad Abumrad. I've been thinking about him for the better part of a year as you know. SciShow Tangents Just push the button that corresponds to the right word. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. She says, "What happened today?" How many of them went into that kind of detail? He even schemes against his own wife. You're going to keep giving him what, 450 volts every shot now? In other words, nitrogen has really strong attachments to itself. We should say that this next section of the program has some references which are extremely graphic and not to everybody's tastes. Haber's gas troops, unscrew, they open the valves on almost 6,000 tanks, containing 150 tons of chlorine. Yeah. Our staff includes Simon Adler, Maggie Bartholomew, Becca Bressler, Rachael Cusick, David Gebel, Ethel Hepti, Tracy Hunt, Matt Kielty, the lovely Robert Krulwich, Annie McEwen, Latif Nassar, Malissa O'Donnell, Adrian Wack, Pat Walters, and Molly Webster. With help from Shima Oliaee, Carter Hodge, and Lisa Yeger. Is that nitrogen is [tryvalent 00:31:48]. I'm Jad Abumrad. And they ask for it to be reformulated to take out the warning smell, and it becomes zyklon B, the killing gas of the concentration camps. He gets promoted to the rank of Captain. The reason why he's telling all this stuff is because he has cut a deal. That's where they're heading towards. So, basically at 6:00 pm at April 22nd. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. David had always known this guy to be pretty mild mannered. 'cause actually he studied between 20 and 40 different variants of this same paradigm. He could do anything. Well talk about Fritz Haber. And you have a number of chemical reactions. They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. Sap in the next room just because they were being told to? Get $50 towards select mattresses by visiting casper.com/radiolab and using code radiolab at checkout. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. And I basically spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. [crosstalk 00:17:42], It's the experimenter-. Even past when they were screaming in pain. To him, he seemed calm and I left, and went home. There's something deeply, deeply wounding, stressing, upsetting a thought that he had anything to do with Zyklon B, but he did. See now around this point I just don't have anything to do with this guy, I just want to take a shower, walk-. His calculation showed that it couldn't be done. Okay. And he throws himself in one of the central issues facing Germany that at that time. And I think what we want out of the why is meaning, meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and give us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. It's like a downloadable from the internet instant defense for doing wrong, but if you look at Milgram's work closely. To the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? The Green River murders terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. So then Hey wait, I'm almost done guys, give me two more minutes, two more minutes. I mean, it's a pretty big thing to miss. As soon as it did, soldiers began to convulse. And today, evil? What's the noble cause in this case? You know, I'm really proud of Job. So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. So, I'm just going to go into this other room over here. But if looked at from another perspective, there is a sense in which you could celebrate what they're doing. Look. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress with a support system that mirrors your body shape. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. This episode of Radiolab, we wrestle with the dark side of human nature, and ask whether it's something we can ever really understand, or fully escape. Where . But it wasn't until a few years later that he learned something that really put what happened that night into context. Gary said, "I needed to kill them," they go, "Why?" He's such a puzzle to me. And in experiment number four, when the teacher has to hold the learner's hand down-, If the experimenter is not a scientist, but is an ordinary man-. Yeah, well. Y-P-R-E-S. Actually, the Americans called it Yeeps. Been through this a lot of times before, and she's already told you she's in a hurry. He has a pot belly. So these are some word pairs. It was developed in his Institute. He recruited a bunch of subjects-. He ultimately spent 17 years searching for this man. Birds would just fall from the air. With higher and higher voltage. That's one of the things that we need to know. James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. This- this is really important. And "Well, why the rage?" So around the turn of the century for German scientists like Haber, this was the challenge. If those two participants refused to go on. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. Each answer just begs another why. So, how do you feel about him now because I don't know I can't help but feel bad for the guy? Live shows were first offered in 2008. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. Bald on top. It was- it was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. He brings her up as an example of a woman that he actually had strong feelings for. He would have each subject sit down at a table. And what happens is that you're- you're elbowing the nit- nitrogen apart from itself and then, forcing it to bond with a hydrogen in a new way. I'm not going to go ahead with it. This is just a tsunami of evil-, And at the very end of the play, when everyone finds out what Iago's done, Othello asks him, "Why? But this is why this is such an interesting guy, around the same time, officials in the U.S. government are calling him a war criminal. To find page after page of yeses. And so, I went up to the bedroom and he was, you know, in a rage. And now that we're sort of just on the other side of that. The participants that are there in this study-. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. Prince-nez? This next part's a little graphic. This is Radiolab and today we're talking about Well, we're trying to think about what goes on in the mind of a bad person. If I don't leave my house right now, I'm going to kill her." And almost like blaming the victims. The use of it, he couldn't have imagined. They couldn't deploy it. Now that's important, it's very important. The Blank Slate follows one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind as he explores the idea of human nature and its moral emotional and political coverings. 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