McDaid, Liam. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? No such nebula is seen. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. ), Another example: "The Dogon also mention a period of rotation of Sirius- Bone yearthis Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. Figure 1. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. some 8.6 light years from earth. Figure 2. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who Several possibilities exist. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. (Photo by John and Keturah. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the by Liam McDaid. (2004). by Philip Coppens. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. There is, A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? by Philip Coppens. Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. What about Sirius? The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Press J to jump to the feed. Griaule, Marcel. The Dogon. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer % But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. Sagan, Carl. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. The Dogons were not isolated. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. space. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? I suspect not.". Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. This is the original Dogon drawing. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. Skeptic. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? You guessed it -- Sirius! Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? It's fascinating. 1995. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. by Liam McDaid. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Cuddle up with someone. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org]
According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. mystery resurfaces. Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. technological societies located on planet earth. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. Furthermore, there had been a (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. seem curious. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Cook some soul food. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The alleged visitors from outer space This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. 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