I have approached other Church leaders for official answers. Parking is available in surrounding lots. to justify a sudden Valentine's Day evening disciplinary council: "additional information" (above email) and "conduct unbecoming a member". addition to clarifying how your demands are reasonable and congruent to the foundational principles of free agency, transparency, honesty and freedom? I just wanted the truth. It told you that you were at heart evil and immoral and only by subordinating your conscience to their decrees could you see yourself as a good person. City (50 Broadway, Salt Lake City, UT). I would be a grotesque injustice against me. But it is not part of a permanent file, so to speak. Those who do leave over historical inaccuracies, according to her research with Benjamin Knoll, are a smaller, vocal, and growing group. I honestly don't think they care, though some of the others in the ward might. The questions that I asked the stake president over and over the last year and a half has been: And he never answered any of those questions once. the church. LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. I believe in the Mormon Marketplace of Information.". FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter and other Mormon organizations understand and get this, which is exactly why they also accept donations as non-transparency. A person who is excommunicated is no longer a member of the Church. David was excommunicated the day after his brother-in-law Oliver Cowdery had likewise been cut off from the Church. having children but having never lived together or having ever had any kind of joint life doesn't even qualify you for a common law marriage. "okay" and the phone call was over. Different accounts of First Vision. [5], After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet. On Sunday, I will be tried in . This is especially true in light of my verbal and written promise and agreement by pushing to excommunicate me for reasons I did not know or understand. If Joseph Smith was a deceiver, who willfully simply seeking official answers to church problems. Not only was the Priesthood denied but black individuals and black families were denied - for 130 years - If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.". I would like to meet Ivins asked Runnells to come in to meet with him the next day. ", https://www.facebook.com/runnells/posts/10158069407958737, "With its gentler approach, FAIR drops its snarky videos aimed at LDS Church critics", "Marvel Removes Anti-Mormon Reference from 'Amazing Spider-Man' Comic", "These Mormon twins worked together on an IRS whistleblower complaint over the church's billions and it tore them apart", "Mormons, Here's Why I Published the Revelations About the LDS Church's $100 Billion Stockpile", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeremy_Runnells&oldid=1141515508, This page was last edited on 25 February 2023, at 12:50. but that is just what i've always been told on the subject, could be wrong. Urged me to stay in steerage on its way to the bottom of the Atlantic. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and In 1989, George Lee, the first Native American to become a General Authority in the church, was excommunicated for apostasy and conduct unbecoming of a church member. 2. theories promoting a bizarre version of Mormonism that Chapel Mormons would not recognize. free agency, transparency, and truth. I am supportive of them and their desires to attend Church on Sunday. chosen to continue its recent trend of excommunicating members who openly question or doubt church teachings. Additionally, its purpose is to have an open discussion church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the Among these admissions: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous and this one. But go ahead, bash away. Truth is often found in the most unexpected places. By hiding and withholding important information from members and investigators, you are literally obstructing the free agency of members of the church, and I have a problem with that. Ivins emailed the very next morning at 5am after my press release announcing that he decided to postpone the Valentine's Day evening court of love to March 20th. 1. you cant discipline someone who no longer belongs to your organization. The February 28th cancellation of the March 20th court has nothing to do with my grandfather's passing. Your previous content has been restored. It has nothing to do with the character, the story or Marvel. Mormon blogger and podcaster John Dehlin, who was excommunicated for apostasy from the LDS Church on Feb. 9, has filed an appeal to the faith's governing First Presidency, claiming the action was "a flawed and unfair process." In a Tuesday letter, Dehlin says that evidence his local Mormon leaders used to justify the excommunication namely . In the USA, a "one night stand" is considered a "common-law marriage." But the practice of excommunication does not make those people more committed believers; it just makes them afraid afraid to voice their opinions and terrified to bring their whole selves to church. In your April 7th disciplinary council letter I received from the Stake Clerk, you accused me of apostasy along with the following accusations Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. I have a right to be present at any potential disciplinary council you hold against me to defend myself. members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. My The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. In the event that a disciplinary council is ever convened on your behalf, you will be given Just a quick thought on excommunication. I also very You I even went into the trenches with one of them that took me close to 900 pages worth of content in Location 253, 6302 of 8366, Anonymous Author(s) "Response to "Letter to a CES Director: Why I Lost My Testimony (CES Letter: My Search for Answers to my Mormon Doubts) and 'Debunking FAIR's Debunking'(Debunking FairMormon)" 20 September 2019, Larry D. Curtis "Survey: Commitment of LDS Church members chilled by high-profile excommunications" KUTV 2, November 30th 2018, Last edited on 25 February 2023, at 12:50, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith's marriages to already-married women, "In this new era of doubt, will a stronger Mormon faith emerge? Jody England Hansen writes the names of more than 700 people who could not attend in person to express their support for Helfer but wanted to communicate their solidarity. FairMormon made direct personal attacks on me, my integrity and my character in their response. Worse, this racist teaching was accepted by 130 years of prophets, If you are sincere in your expressed desire to keep your Church membership and to explore answers to your years to answer the questions as promised me. Regarding my Letter to a CES Director and the website where it is currently posted: I originally wrote the Letter to a CES Director because the CES Director, a friend of my grandfather, directly requested that I communicate my I have not only offered this in writing but several times in our conversations in our October 19, 2014 and November 2, 2014 cancelled disciplinary councils against me. [Attached to email was this Runnells Temple Worthiness PDF]. want my name permanently and completely removed from the membership rolls of the church. ", Surprised by the sudden sense of urgency on Ivins' part, Runnells asked Ivins what the meeting was in regards to. All of these allusions reflected conventional LDS attitudes towards race at that time in 1947. In 2015, John Dehlin, a Mormon blogger who criticized church leaders and teachings in podcasts, was excommunicated for conduct contrary to church laws, though he denied having committed apostasy. insinuations against Runnells along with their multiple attempts to excommunicate Jeremy Runnells. He was made General Authority in 2008meaning he had to give up his practice as a lawyer and serve the church full timeand spent time in New Zealand before returning to the church's Utah headquarters in 2014. He never responded as promised. Ivins' office. But now, after the press release, press conference, media interviews and tremendous reaction/response on social media, he is willing to move it back to the Display as a link instead, The bishop is appointed to be a judge in Israel, D&C 107:72. I wanted my church's answers and defense to very troubling facts I learned about Joseph Smith and the church's origins and Your well-meaning Mother is correct your sister can be excommunicated, its not definite and may not happen until she wants to come back to church, at that point as she isn't endowed or married But it is amatter that will be decided by priesthood authority. or anything he claimed in the Book of Abraham. A note dated 4 July 1840 preceded Phelps's letter in the letterbook. I believe I have answered all of your questions. Yet, that didn't stop him from attempting to spiritually execute me. Prior to his excommunication, Hamula served as the executive director of the Correlation Department, which oversees changes to church doctrine and practice and maintains unity in the wider church. As of Thursday, more than 200 health-care professionals signed a letter to the stake president saying they are concerned that withdrawing Helfer's membership will create a culture of stigma and. Pasted as rich text. Take notice that several of the above quotes invite and encourage investigation. And even later became an alcoholic, drug abuser, prescription forger. questions with you as well as hearing your answers to my questions. Usually, and this isn't always the case, but usually, it means no prayers in church, no talks, no partaking of the sacrament, etc. verifying that what I told you in our meeting just three days earlier was true and factual. Here is Fox 13's coverage of Jeremy Runnells and the press conference: LDS author says he faces excommunication after writing 'Letter to a CES Director'. The historian Fawn McKay Brodie came from a devout Mormon family . Wanting to understand these historical issues, Runnells learned about and was specifically disturbed by Joseph Smith's marriages to already-married women, and Book of Abraham historical criticisms. It's my understanding that there's several of you who have come "[21], A Spider-Man comic book was published in 2018 that had a patch drawn on the protagonist that read, "CES Letter". This was why I sought the help of the CES Director. As of right now, I am still a member in good standing (no discipline, disfellowship or excommunication). I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & The. or "stay in the boat" or "God not Google" are not answers to the problematic facts that directly undermine and challenge the LDS Church's I no longer have access to the CHI, so I'm going from memory here a little bit, but probation is really up to the discretion of the Bishop as to the DOs and DON'Ts. While I no longer attend regularly, I enjoy attending family events (blessings, baptisms, ordinations, funerals, etc.). Topics: Third, Ive never heard of a time limit being preset for a hearing. [17], In November 2020, FairMormon released a set of 16 videos[18] responding to Runnells, meant to appeal to Millennials and Generation Z. LDS Church Postpones Court of Love Against Jeremy Runnells: I received an email this morning from my Stake President, Mark Ivins, indicating that the disciplinary council has been postponed until March 2016 - it filled with fear and its house is built on sand. This pattern has been disastrous for the church in the Age of Google . attempted to mislead the people, then he should be exposed; his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false" - President Joseph Fielding Smith, "That is the way I feel about it. One of the most common questions that is asked on message boards for people who are in a new place with the church because of problems with church history and doctrine is Should I resign or should I let them excommunicate me? Many reasons have been given for both approaches. I would like to keep our appointment to meet on March 15th and then schedule abilities and willingness to write your thoughts. You're invited to your Court of Love next month. The letter also includes the statement "This council will consider your recent actions against the church as apostasy." - President J. Reuben Clark, "Some struggle with unanswered questions about things that have been done or said in the past." In February 2012, Jeremy experienced an awakening to the LDS Church's truth crisis, which subsequently led to a faith transition that summer. I'm going to redact a bit of what I said before. Runnells - I was hoping to meet with you this week but it appears that is not possible. The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have made some extraordinarily eye-brow raising admissions in these essays. Cody and Leah Young were excommunicated from the LDS Church last week. This date has not Can you answer my questions in CES Letter as promised by your CES Director? The church called the police on the vigil attendees. I would need to receive that document at least three days before the council.". communicate with you in writing would have made that clear. In response to criticism that the videos were mocking Runnells and other disaffected Latter Day Saints, FairMormon chairman John Lynch said, "We are not trying to mock the people who are affected by the 'CES Letter,' We are mocking the letter itself and signal to people that this is a deceitful document, not to be taken seriously. michael b rush excommunicated. I am one of them, resigned yesterday about 30mins after he open the letter =/. The general consensus and reaction was outrage, disbelief, and shock. A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, April 17, 2016 @ 5:30 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. very beginning. With such a sketchy track record, what credibility do these 15 men in Salt Lake have? Jeremy lost half of his hearing six months ago. That they would take someone's salvation without answering their sincere, reasonable questions. All of them promised answers or to find answers only to never respond back. My wife and I were sealed in the Temple yet she only received a formal probation. Again, it is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. Excommunicated persons can, however, rejoin the fold by being rebaptized. well. You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. You've read 0 of 5 of todays most popular posts. It is 100% man-made from beginning to end. negative facts about its truth claims. The only reason why cesletter.org exists is because I needed a centralized place to be able to provide my defense and responses to the various personal claims, you and the church are actively seeking to censor, silence, and kill the messenger rather than address the message. The CES Letter exists only because the CES Director requested it and I gave him my sincere questions and concerns per his request. the LDS Church in their attempts to character assassinate Jeremy Runnells' name, integrity, and character through their extremely vague accusations and that all of the claims made above by its leaders along with Ballard's "master the essays" are ultimately just empty words. Do what is right and the consequence is excommunication. truth crisis. How to not apostatize from the LDS church By Sam Pinson. And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? Photo by Jody England Hansen. CES Letter Foundation releases the following Press Release announcing the LDS Church's disciplinary council against Runnells to be held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. was telling you were "anti-Mormon lies.". Back row: Andy Parker. As you know, translation is not always precise, and I don't want there to be any misunderstandings between The room with the high council and stake presidency already inside was locked and Ivins had to tap to get the door opened. He that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out, D&C 42:28. church" by simply publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. Apostasy would be one who flatly denies the divine nature of the Church or is antagonistic towards it. All of these ideals and principles deeply and profoundly resonated with Such things as murder, adultery, sexual perversion, or any other serious offense that resulted in a conviction by civil courts such as a felony. I also attend some of the They were wrong for over 130 years on the blacks. Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court, but were denied entrance into the building. It was not Christlike in any way. I will Ivins attempts to take their conversation away from light of transparency to dark of secrecy, Ivins attempts to censor Runnells and CES Letter by demanding censorship and removal from Mormon Marketplace of Information, "If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. Truth in Church History. Disturbed and disgusted with the LDS Church's unfair, unjust, and un-Christlike treatment toward him along with the LDS Church's and Stake President's refusal to answer sincere and reasonable questions, Runnells ultimately made the decision during his disciplinary court hearing held on the evening of April 17, 2016 to resign and remove his name from the records of the LDS Church. Although I no longer have a testimony or literal belief in the truth claims of the LDS Church, Some leaders, like Hans Mattsson, an area authority in Sweden, when A public press conference has been scheduled for Runnells on February 10th, 2016 at 7:00pm Mountain Time at 50 West Club & Cafe in downtown Salt Lake Upload or insert images from URL. verified truth. Probation is recorded, but only at a Stake level. There are TL;DR boxes listed in each section. Runnells' beloved grandfather passes. The following brief video is a great observation of this entire process: Flip the Script: The How and Why of Jeremy Runnells' Exit. Who's Performing at Trump's Inauguration. [1][2] Runnells grew up as a seventh-generation member of the LDS Church with pioneer ancestry. work is a fraud. "The Church has a strong desire to protect children and, as you know, issued updated guidelines for interviewing youth earlier this year.". If the church seeks to suppress negative facts being discussed in the Mormon marketplace of information and to excommunicate those who have doubts, The only reason why my website exists in its current form today is because of FairMormon's unethical and hostile attack on me and This offer still stands today. Why isn't the church going after FairMormon for destroying Mormon testimonies on the Internet? Runnells responds to Ivins' March 20, 2016 @ 5:05am email with the following 11:56pm email (screenshot): I am asking you questions seeking clarification and understanding from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my free essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. An evening when all the men in that room, including yourself, should be spending with their loved ones. recovering from and am half deaf. Sample 3: "Letter of resignation from mormon church". Krista Cook. There was an informal March 15th meeting scheduled with the Stake President but that has been cancelled as well. The following is the November 2, 2014 letter Runnells handed to Ivins in the beginning of this meeting (can be read in PDF here) or read below: I am writing this letter to you to make sure that there are no misunderstandings or confusion regarding my response to several of your questions that you the Mormon marketplace of information. What errors or mistakes in the CES Letter, or on the website, is incorrect so I can publicly correct it? The following is an audio recording of the entire second meeting. I would appreciate you or other church leaders taking the time to answer my questions before calling a disciplinary council. delightful the beliefs.'" Then help me. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Although they had all signed non-disclosure agreements beforehand, a man who was guarding the door said they hadnt complied with the agreements and were not going to be allowed into the building. You can post now and register later. You ask: "Explain your seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have with Church Ms. Kelly's stake president had warned her in a letter in May that if she did not shut down the website, dissociate herself from it and repent, she faced excommunication for "openly, repeatedly. In the event, if any, that a third disciplinary council is set up against me, I will be sure to let everyone know. The Lord tends to make us work, study, The church's essays are shaking many, many members' testimonies. meeting. Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between who were asking them why they had doubts and concerns with the truth claims of the LDS Church. If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? mistakes and errors to correct, as required by the Church Handbook of Instructions and as I have pleaded with you to do for the last year and a half? but to threaten my membership instead. Elder James J. Hamula, a member of the Quorum of the Seventy, was released and excommunicated, the @LDSchurch said. My These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. . Church leaders became aware that Lyman was having an affair with a woman he had been given to counsel and excommunicated him for unlawful cohabitation. than censorship and the obstruction of free flow of information. Church Handbook says that my resignation "cancels the effects of baptism and confirmation, withdraws the priesthood held by a male member, and revokes When I first read the title to this threadI thought it was going to be like a Letterman Top 10 list of reasons to be excommunicated. of asking you over and over and over and over for answers and for you to fulfill your pledge to help me get answers, it is now becoming very clear to me goal has been to get official answers from the church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Why won't you just answer my questions, President? other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. In fact, there are members who see the essays themselves as acting in opposition to the this day as I am only interested in correct facts and information. The church does not like individuals asking questions about its truth claims. In its decision, the all-male panel wrote that Kelly had "persisted in an aggressive effort to persuade other Church members to your point of view," and that her "course of action has threatened to erode the faith of others." 1.5 years of waiting for answers/corrections from Stake President Mark Ivins only to be met with silence, threats, and ultimately an excommunication attack me. In the letter they appended to Phelps's, Orson Hyde and John E. Page noted that Phelps did not have enough money to travel to Illinois to visit JS in person. B). However, in light of your recent surgery and the fact that you have a close member who is near death, I have decided to postpone I expect this matter to be handled with respect. truth claims problems. murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. The real question here is if the church believes in a healthy and balanced Mormon marketplace of information that includes both positive and Mark Hofmann Salamander Letter; David Whitmer's Second Seer Stone . Indeed, what you have said and done has done just that. at 7:30pm; please confirm your attendance. To excommunicate me is an atrocious grotesque injustice. - Book of Abraham. If you wish to do this, there are certain conditions: 1. "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. These section is basically for lazy people who don't want to listen to or read the entire thing but who still want the main points and meat of the conversation Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. I will then forward your statement to the First Presidency. Generally, excommunication occurs when someone commits a serious sin and goes to a local church leader for counsel and encouragement in repenting of their sin. commissioned or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. ", "Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church At Excommunication Hearing In American Fork", "Jeremy Runnells and His Letter to a CES Director", "Inside the Secret Facebook War For Mormon Hearts and Minds", "The Trials of YouTube Jesus: A Mormon Apostate Fighting for His Family", "Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' resigns from Mormon church", "Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church after disciplinary council", "Jana Riess: This is your brain on Mormon Facebook", "Understanding Mormon Disbelief: Why do some Mormons lose their testimony, and what happens to them when they do? You cannot paste images directly. And good comeback. Back row: Andy Parker. In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, February 14, 2016 @ 7:00 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. The following is the PDF letter Runnells attached to email to Ivins: I'm still waiting for your answers to my CES Letter questions. My goal is to defend my name and integrity from members. Why am I being punished for pointing to church essay verified facts and admissions? The real question here is if the church really believes in and is confident in its foundational truth claims to welcome hard investigation and scrutiny. It has validated and confirmed to me that this organization has no divine power or divine mantle behind it. If it would not crush my parents, I would have used quitmormon already. Stephen Daley, LDS stake (regional) president in Derby, wrote in a letter on Wednesday that while members may hold diverse opinions on a number of topics, Helfer "cannot be a member in good. 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